Swine Flu and vaccines

So.

My mom, gandmom and I had a short but relatively heated discussion today. We were listening to the radio (read; they were, I didn't) where some female idiot reporter said something about swine flu (probably something along the lines of, "if you don't vaccinate yourself you'll die a horribly outdrawn and painful death and bla bla bla"). My mom was like, "We've got to get ourselves vaccinated, just in case".

My response was something like this, though with more passion than is allowed over the Net:
"There is no way in Hell I will ever take any vaccine for the god-damn swine flu. They can take their needles and shove 'em up their...."
Well, I think you get the general idea.


So, anyways, two questions to discuss;
First of all. Will you take the vaccine or not?

And secondly - let's report any bad shit we hear about any of the swine flu vaccines out there (dunnow really if there's more than one. I haven't given shit about this until today. But anyways), so that each one of us know what suspicions and evilness surrounds tharmaflu or whatever the crap is called. Being that I'm suspicious by nature, and that I KNOW who's REALLY behind this... I also know there is shit in the vaccine(s?). I just don't know WHAT yet.


Here's a thread on ATS, where the renowned conspiracy journalist Jim Marrs talks about the swine flu. Read it, it's quite interesting, and he's got some interesting theories around the flu itself and its origin:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread464333/pg1

So far it will be volentary here in America. My mom always gets her flu shots. I never do. This is such a confusing issue. I don't get why the elite would want to 'kill' their source of income. They make money off us, why kill us? Then again, I wouldn't put it past them. I just don't know what will happen. I think I read on ATS where with this flu shot, people will not be able to sue if anything bad happens to them. That's kinda scary isn't it? Makes you wonder for sure.

I will certaintly keep up with the effects people get from that shot and spread the word. It is still summer here so come Fall/winter we will know more.

It's fun. I've never, (as in, "ever") had any flu shots, and I've grown up just fine and dandy. Well, maybe a bit too much on the dandy side, but other than that, I'm just fine.

I think, at best, any vaccine for something as simple as a flu, messes up your immune system. At worst, you'll catch something even worse because of non-sterile equipment - or even because of the vaccine itself, as with Baxter (the company making the vaccines), who "accidentally" shipped out 72 kg of LIVE bird flu as "vaccine" against regular flu. Fortunately, Czech scientists at a lab found out in time and managed to stop it from causing a pandemic. (For more information, Wikipedia Jane Burgermeister, the journalist who is now accusing Baxter of doing that with the intention of mass murder. It's an interesting story.)

That's the worst case scenario you're facing when taking vaccines.
And yeah, as Night Star pointed out, they've got immunity from any charges for deaths or permanent damages to you/your body by the vaccine. That means they can practically shoot you up with any crap they want, and even if you die because of it, even if they do it knowingly, they can't be held legally accountable. Do you really trust people like that to treat you with a rushed vaccine that hasn't even been tested yet?



As for why... It's very simple, Night. To quote Aaron Russo; "They have all the money they want - they can MAKE all the money they want". We're not their money cows. Forget about that - they MAKE the money, and then we BORROW it from them, and in time pay them back - with INTEREST. That makes us their slaves, not their money cows. What REALLY turns them on is POWER. Money is power, though, as we can see from that, and we've walked right into that trap..

So, if we're their slaves, why would they want to kill us off? That one is really simple. Because 3 billion people are FAR easier to control than 6 billion. And they only need 3 billion of us to run their lives smoothly. As for, beyond that, why they want to control us... I don't think any of us will ever be able to tell the why of it, because we'll never be able to understand how those insane maniacs work.


Phew... I must say, I'm sure glad I have you guys fighting with me in this turbulent information war. My family are like zombies when it comes to this stuff, refusing to see the truth - heck, even refusing to listen. And to be alone in knowing all of this that is going on would drive a person mad.

Anyways, I'll be damned if I take any vaccine. And I'll be damned if I'll let my family take any vaccine before they know the risks they take by allowing the doctors to shoot them up with it, whether they want to know or not.

I have flu shots every year and they have saved my life. I get chronic asthma and the flu makes it worse. I think like any thing you need to weigh up the pros and cons on a personal level.

As for the swine flu vaccine...could it be that this virus is out of control even for whoever might have conjured it up? There is another possibility and that is that rather than killing 3 billion people, it has the potential to wipe out the whole population and then what good is all the money in the world to those left behind? What would they have power over? An empty planet! No point being top dog then is there...unless they plan to rule the animals and what fun would that be? They don't talk...so maybe, just maybe, the vaccine is a way to maintain control by slowing the killing down or actually saving some of the population to keep as slaves.

Horror stories relating to the flu itself...just check the newsfeeds daily. Yesterday here in Australia, an unborn baby was a victim of it. The baby contracted the flu in the womb and died. That is some scary crap. Perfectly healthy people are going down like flies. It is not just picking off the elderly or weak.

We have to be on our toes, doing the best that we can for our health.

On our toes yes, but not driven by paranoia. I went in to a discount shop yesterday and on the counter they had medical masks for sale and a pump pack of hand sanitiser for all the customers to use for free. Then I had to take my oldest son to an ear nose throat specialist and he went on and on about how it is impossible to stop the spread of infection because it is transmitted everytime someone infected touches something. He then proceeded to tell my son not to touch any of his furniture and wouldn't even touch my son to examine him!! He told my son to depress his tongue with his own finger so he could look at his tonsils.

I really think this is taking things too far! It reminds me of the paranoia and fear that erupted when AIDS first became an epidemic. The really scary thing about human reaction to infection isn't how easily it is spread, but how quickly it leads to loss of human compassion and contact. Mother Teresa is a big inspiration in my life. I admire her simple ways and unconditional love. She gave much care and compassion to the sick and dying, even children and babies with AIDS> it was her faith that kept her connected despite the human condition. She was an exceptional teacher for the human race. Where have we gone wrong and lost our way? What we do to others, we do to ourselves. My son has chronic tonsilitis and has to have his tonsils removed. He is in pain and scared of the operation, and here is this doctor treating him like he has AIDS unable to even break his tirade of 'don't put your snotty hands on my table' to put his mind at ease. Geez, he even came right out and told him it would hurt like hell after the operation and then asked my 6 yo if he would like an operation too.

Bring back some sanity to the medical profession - we are looking to them to guide us through the biological warfare and offer hope for a healthy future. If they can't be compassionate on relatively simple things like a tonsillectomy, what hope is there for something major like the swine flu pandemic???

I wouldn't want my kids going to such a doctor. Is there anyone else you could find?

The two sides of the flu vaccination issue: 1) If none of us take it, or only some people take it, the flu will spread. Though many can live through it, those with other medical conditions are at great risk.

2) Those who take it are at risk.

I look at it this way: If we make it, wonderful. If we don't, we can go on to our spiritual destination and be happy there.

Oh and Goth, tell your son that when he gets his operation, he will be out like a light and won't even know he is being operated on. Then tell him that since he can only eat soft foods for a while, he can have ice cream and pudding etc. That's what my parents said to me. Then on that day, I was given a new doll and books. When I awoke in the hospital room, my throat was sooooo dry and all I wanted was water. Just make sure he sips SLOWLY! Man I tried to guzzle and the nurse said no, no, sip slowly. Too late. LOL So yeah, you're sore but forget all about it. keep encouraging him and tell him how after he won't suffer anymore.

There will be a time of healing and after three days he will start to feel much better... After two weeks he should be much better...

I never had that operation although I did have a cyst removed from my bum that was to put me out of commission for much longer that I was actually out for... I can't even have a decent recovery period with out slaving for my needs to pay the bills...

I was to be out of work two weeks and was back to work in three days... After one week the doctor was totally amazed at my healing progress.

There is an old art in our world that promotes healing!

I agree with Buffalo there.

In my opinion, we humans have become some kind of sissy-cowards who need to use medicine to cure everything - and in many cases, the medicine actually causes more problems than the disease. The human body can take a lot of beatings. During the last swine flu, in 197?, it was suspected that the swine flu vaccine used back then caused numerous deaths. And there is no telling what the long-term effects were, because nobody keeps check of long-term effects of a vaccine.

I, and this is only my speculations, suspect that vaccines somehow compete with and eventually mess up your immune system. And if they contain live viruses, as have been made both "accidentally", and purposefully (with claimed honest intentions, in the later case, actually saying it WAS a vaccine even though it contained live virus).. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but remember, you're shooting it into your blood stream where the immune system have no way to counter it. Imagine if you shoot live bird flu virus into your bloodstream, as was almost done when Baxter "accidentally" sent out live virus mixed with bird flu vaccines, what happens then...

Also, a new-born baby doesn't have a fully developed immune system, and is very exposed to dangerous diseases and damage from vaccines. We shoot up our kids with vaccines from childbirth. I only remember taking one vaccine myself when I was a kid, but I hear the Americans have a whole lot more of them. Imagine -


- All that mercury used to "bind the vaccine together"... It's suspected to cause autism in children. It's a friggin' heavy metal you're shooting into your bloodstream. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it's poisonous. And if you're one of the people who say, "Everything is poisonous in large enough quantities"... Then I'll just say this: Take a bottle of DDT...open it, and then inject some of it into your bloodstream. The effects are the same, as DDT and mercury both get stuck in your body, (primarily in the brain) and is in time transferred to your future children.

- All the aluminium that is in tamiflu, for example... Aluminium, too, is poisonous, and some claim there is a connection between it and Alzheimer's disease. Would you really shoot up your own child with that?

Here's an article about the ingredients, and why you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT take the vaccine:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/03/07/vaccine-ingredients.aspx


Also. I don't worry about the virus, I worry about the vaccine. Because, so far, I've not seen anything worth worrying about. It's just another strain of flu, and I've never suffered from a flu bad enough that I felt the need to vaccinate. That's, again, what my immune system is for, not mercury in my blood stream.


Edit: If you want to read more from Dr Mercola about the swine flu, here's a slew of his articles:
http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?k=swine%20flu

Don't take the shot until you know the risks.

So far, I am not freaking out or anything, though I am concerned. I mean say we preach to people about NOT taking the shot and then they die. Or say we don't preach and because they DID take the shot they end up dying. What the hell are we supposede to do? My Mom takes her shots faithfully every year. My husband is diabetic and he should take vaccines but he is like me, we don't the shots.

There are people begging to be guini pigs and to be test subjects. I want to know in enough time how they all made out. Then again, people react differently to things so...

A good stance is making them decide for themselves whether or not to take the vaccine - AFTER they know the pros and cons, the risks and supposed benefits. You should never tel them to take it or not to take it, only shove the information down their throats.

I remember being 5 years old and not wanting to take a vacine, it took 5 nurses just to give me the injection, they got me in my gluteus maximous while I was hiding under a table. My mother was one of the nurses.

We certainly have created a society of fear and it goes both ways, there are times that we need to be protected while being exposed to conditions not fit for human habitation. On the other hand we can be overly concerned messing with our natural ability to use our immune system for the proper intended reason that it is there and how we need to build up our immunity to alien attack.

Swedish scientist Leif Arnold is interviewed about the swine flu. I highly recommend you to listen to this. Don't worry, it's in English:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvIRztVa6Bk

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHR4O8qikIo

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz8Gu3SWJ-g

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwzXqrH2J8

Very long interview, though. Anyway, enjoy. And don't take the shot.

I'm sick and every time I go to the doctor, she pushes me to have the 'free' swine flu vaccination. It is starting to really piss me off. Doesn't matter if I have a normal everyday flu or a 'gee thanks kids for bringing that virus home from school and passing it on' type illness, all I get from the doctor is hassled about putting my name on the waiting list for the swine flu vaccine. She doesn't even take blood or do any type of test to confirm whether I have it or am susceptible - I cough or have a runny nose and straight away she says 'make sure you see the receptionist to get the swine flu vaccine - oh, and put your kids names on the list too - you can ALL get it done." I feel like some poor Jew being sent to a POW camp to be executed in a gas chamber...like the government are secretly getting doctors to recruit willing victims to be killed off...well not me! And not my children. I asked for literature to read on the vaccine and I got a dumbfounded look from the doctor as if to say 'what the hell would you want that for? just trust me and blindly accept the vaccination". How dumb do they think we are???? The most pathetic excuse I have heard is 'oh with all your asthma and other problems you might as well have the vaccination...' Well I had the normal flu vaccination back in march and it did not stop me from getting sick, in fact this year I got sicker than any other year.

Research - read - ask questions people. Stand your ground because we are being treated like sheep here. We are faceless statistics being crunched by a machine that does not care how we feel. I finally got my literature - one double sided sheet of A4 paper that basically told me NOTHING. There were no links to further information or phone numbers or anything on it. Seems a little strange in an era of so much information being generated and given freely don't ya think? Seems almost like there's something to hide here...

Meh, I am off to bed to sweat out my fever and viral illness. The government can keep their party treat swine flu vaccine all wrapped up like a pretty present to us poor dumb people. And why would I subject my beautiful healthy children to this shot of toxic waste in a syringe??? Damn! It's time sanity returned. Logic can be a good weapon. I've always loved asking questions, and I strongly advocate that we should all be reading more. I might just do that as I am recovering in bed from the flu...the one my son got at high school probably form one of his mates, not the 'eek! don't cough near me!' swine flu.

Healing vibes for Kat!!!!

I was so scared when my great nephew at one and half years of age got the swine flu shot. This was maybe a month ago. He was very sick recently, but now is fine and running around, just a bundle of energy. Still, I worry if this may affect him down the road.